Episode 31 - Our Favorite Resources: Women’s Healthy, Pregnancy, Childbirth, Postpartum

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Hello, hello and you are listening to the aligned birth podcast. I am Dr. Shannon and I have doula Rachel here with me today. And today we are talking about our favorite birth related resources. So this is going to be good. So again, this is I feel like we always like I always say this like, Oh, this is chock full of resources. We have so many things to link in the show notes. There's so many resources. So today there's so many resources that we're gonna have listed, but that's what we do, right? We like to provide information, but this is when these are our favorite birth related resources. So this is the stuff that like we're going to go over what is it? Is it a book? Is it a podcast? Is it a social media aspect is it a person? Is it a website? Is it a documentary, like those type of things? And then why are we giving it to our expected families? What makes this so good? Is it you know, maybe something that we know personally from it? Is it maybe something we used is it something that families have come back and said, This is what really spoke to us? Is it the language they use? Is it how they're presenting the information? Is it like all of these things as to why are we giving it to our expected families and so again, today's gonna be really good. Here's the fun part. So Rachel and I told each other we're going to come up with our favorite birth related resources. No, we're not going to tell each other what it is. And we're going to discover it on the episode today. So chances are we might have we really only have one resource individually because everything else is shared. Who knows? But I'm excited to hear what Rachel gives to her families and I already have questions for her today, in that aspect of like, the information that she's sharing and that sort of thing. So I'm so excited to talk about these favorite birth related resources today.

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Yes, I'm excited to and I can't wait to hear what you have. And I know you have a lot of resource like you have a physical office. And so I love that you like try and have things, magazines and books and stuff there for your your patients coming in, which is really cool because then they can see it or even borrow it. Yes, I

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had the lending library. So I brought my lending library into my podcast recording studio today, aka my closet. I love it. Yeah. Cool. Have a bit in front of me. Yay. All right, friend. What do you want to start with?

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I love books. Okay. Well, I love podcast too. But let's start with book I

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know. Let's start with books. All right. Yeah. Well, no particular order either. So this isn't like oh, this is the top resource right? Like mine is mine was literally like word dump of this is all the things I love.

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Yeah, I like I feel like books are have were so fundamental and where my journey began, like when I was pregnant. With Everett, my oldest I just, you know, podcasts weren't as popular. And just that it's incredible how far the Internet has come since then. So it just felt like books I devoured books and blogs blogs were popular. Then there were some blogs. I was reading but really books. And so I had a couple books that are sort of pre conception that I wanted to share that I thought kind of fit into this topic, and that both of these books live in my library for you know if my clients want to borrow them or not, but it's taking charge of your fertility, which I read this before I got pregnant with Everett, it blew my mind. It is by Tony Wechsler. And it's a Guide to Natural birth control pregnancy achievement and reproductive health. So it's sort of the spectrum of women's health and so it's awesome and eye opening and it's what I wish I would have learned when I began having my cycle when I was a teenager. It really helped me learn a lot about my body and the hormones and my cycles and how I go through different like, sets of emotions and feelings physically and emotionally.

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We need to just stop you right there. Yeah, we're gonna that's gonna be an episode coming up because we have both done work on that. But yes, you said that like, I wish I had known those things like honored and celebrated like that coming into womanhood. This sounds so amazing.

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Yeah. And it can help you with conception and it can help you with avoiding conception and it can help you stand in your body after having a baby. So yeah, that's one It's an oldie but a goodie. And yeah, you can find it on Amazon or maybe even a library but I hesitate to say get it from a library if you want I made you buy it use because it's one that you will use ongoing. Some of the some of the pregnancy books I recommend on my go get that from the library and read it and then you can be done. But this is when I say keep on hand because it's kind of it you will go you'll use it at different stages along the way. So that was the first one I wanted to share.

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Oh, that one's good. I love hearing that. Um, yeah, we're gonna do a whole episode on that. Um, okay, so my first book, The one I have here, I bought this when I was in chiropractic school, so I did not have this book with either of my pregnancies. So that's kind of fun there. Was it life changing in that aspect of things, but I bought it while in school, and it's called How to have well adjusted babies. So again, this is a little bit so yours was like that preconception? This is a little bit of into that not what to expect me expecting but like the after, you know, like Oh, baby's here and those kinds of things. But she starts with part one is the real help for your pregnancy. And I think I love the aspects of in this so much that I consider it like a birth related resource. So it is pretty heavy. And it's by a chiropractor of course Dr. Jennifer, I think you pronounce her last name floriani And she's in Australia and I just love it. It again, I said it's like the chapters in here. I mean, it definitely goes into the baby stuff. So it's really two but it's like Part Two is birthing. So part one is real health for your pregnancy. Part three is like holistic parenting. So I think it's a good like full raw. Yeah.

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Well, and I like I like when people can draw but because people get caught up in the week by week and I have a book that's a week by week guide. But we focus on like just pregnancy but there's a connection between that that intentional pregnancy birth and then the ripple effect into raising your baby and the connection there. And I like when the whole picture when it's kind of a bit of a zoom out and saying okay, well, we can't just talk about everything that happens leading up to the birth and then maybe just the birth, we got to talk about everything that happens after it. So having one that kind of covers that full spectrum is cool. I haven't read that one. I'm going to Yeah, to my list.

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It's it's a good one. It's a big one. It's one of those it's not like one to where you're going to just read like cover to cover but I do like to go through it and she's got some research in here that I typically will share with families or whatnot, because it's talking about hospitals study that incorporated chiropractic adjustments during a patient's pregnancy and they indicated there's a 50% decrease in the need for painkillers during delivery. So those types of things like she's got some good research studies in there too. So it kind of hits both. Both parts of that so yeah, it's called well adjusted. Baby and she has other books I think ticklish is one of the other ones and they're on social media obviously we're gonna link to all this but this is the one that I have and have read the most

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so cool. I love it. I like it and that is not one I have read so it's not on my list. So yeah, already we're starting off. Yeah, starting off good. Okay, so my next one is babies are not peaches.

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Oh, you know, I love this one. It's not on my list. It should have been but we talked about this a lot in school. Oh, I love it.

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Yeah, the rest of that is they are born not delivered, delivered. delivered. Yeah. And that's by Rebecca Decker. And so she's the founder of evidence based birth. And that's one of my go to Resources for evidence based research because that's what she has. She's a researcher. And she This book talks about her birth experience with her first and she was you know, she was a nurse researcher and she was finishing her doctoral degree. And so she was giving birth at the this hospital that she was this university that she was associated with, and she had a not so great first birth experience. And that took her by surprise because she felt like she was knowledgeable. She had, you know, worked for a university hospital, felt like you know, had some of the things that you think would be advantageous to having a positive birth experience. And so she went back and really dissected her experience and tried to understand more about what arose for her and applying it and delivering it in a way that is helpful for many, many people. And so she talks about discovering the Shocking Truths that not only impact millions of families every year but changed the entire course of her life specifically, and she exposes the stark realities of institutional care during childbirth and reveals inspirational solutions for parents and professionals alike. So this is a book I share with it's on my we, we have a I'm a co doula partner, and we have an email that we send out when a client hires us and that's one of the first emails they get, and it's a list of, of resources where they can kind of start learning because we're big advocates and big proponents for you know, here's the information you can and we drip it out. So it's not overwhelming, but one of the books included on that list is, is this one because I think it's helpful from someone who's who has her work experience in her life experience and the way she delivers it is very relatable and draws on many people's experiences. So if you've, if you've never given birth before, if you did, and it didn't go how you wanted or your birth professional, I think it's a good wonderful book, and I actually listened to that one on Audible. So oh, okay, well, that's good. Yeah, looking for either and this is a newer book. So you could do audible or buy it from Amazon, or I'm sure libraries have it as well. And I'm a big proponent of used bookstores too. So you can look, online use bookstores usually have these books that I share or that you are sharing, I'm sure for a fraction of the price of just some options there.

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Definitely, you know, I know in school and chiropractic school, we talked a lot about this and I just love the name and the title of the book, because and I changed my language after hearing this because I was like, oh, yeah, they're not delivered, like pizzas. Yeah, born. It's labor and birth. It's not labor and delivery, even though we still call it lnd. Like, you know,

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a lot of people refer to the doctor or midwife as the one who delivered the baby. I'm like, I'm like, No, that's the person giving birthday they they gave birth they delivered their own baby gave birth or just supports the process.

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Yes. And so I just love the title. I know we talked about it a lot in school, too, but I will say I haven't read it so I needed I needed on my list. No. But I do know you might hear evidence based birth later

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yeah, yeah. That's on my that's on my also on my Instagram follow and my website. Yes,

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I was gonna say this fits in multiple categories. So we'll just we'll talk about that in a minute. We'll go over that again. Oh, definitely. Sources there. But yeah, so she's got the book too. So that's awesome. Another way to digest the information because I too, love books. Um, my next book and we've actually talked about this on the podcast before it's called the mum unnatural by Week Guide to pregnancy,

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on my list,

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ob Jen and we talked about this when we did our interview with homebirth midwife. Rachel Hart. Yes. This book, yeah, she gave this book and I know some chiropractic offices that give this book out. And that's again, I heard about this in chiropractic school. So I don't have a single I think I'm just now realizing that I have a single resource that I am providing that I actually used in my, in my birth.

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So I said that you didn't really

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but I didn't do anything. I didn't assume a lot. I just did what you know, the fighter said this, so I'm gonna just digest that I didn't do a lot on my own. So but now it's this aspect of like, oh, this wealth of knowledge out there. So

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well. Yeah. My List has grown substantially grown a lot. A lot more to read and reality.

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Yeah, so I feel like this is the better version. Oh, you know what? Well, it's not on my list because I don't necessarily like it that much. But that What to Expect When You're Expecting. Oh, I definitely did that. I know. I read that when I was pregnant. And it was very much I was maybe that's why I had so much fear.

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It was so like, that was like the number one pregnancy and expecting parents. It is. Oh gosh,

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I know. That was my world. I know and I feel like this the mom and natural Yeah, that's what

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that needs to be.

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It was it needs to be yes, yes. Because this does game for you. I know right? I shouldn't even said that book. But I didn't

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know because the thing is love people like well think that that is a

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the only thing out there. There's more out there because this gives you it goes through the different parts. It's each week.

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So gentlemen, clearly Yeah. So you know what's happening inside your buyer?

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Yeah. And so it's like you're preparing your body in home for a little Bambino exercise work that body like I just I don't know. I think it's a great way to present this information. I love how she writes. I love how she speaks.

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It's very easy to consume. It's very easy to read. It's not very technical. She takes like the technical jargon out she talks very much like if you and I were sitting down having a conversation she talks just like us, makes it real, real relatable and like bite sized pieces. And this is another one I would not I wouldn't lend this one from the library. I would buy this or buy this and have it because you want to consume it as you're going through it, I guess and then the part they have the part for preparing for birth to that section is super helpful and the postpartum

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I guess I just opened it to week 16 And the title is doulas meeting your birth Angel. Oh, birth Angel. Oh, that makes me so happy. I know. There's a section in here finding your birth angel. I just see. It's that language, right. There's so much to that so I really love this but now I have had um, there's also websites so it's also says like the number one natural pregnancy channel on YouTube. So there's a lot of information out there in on the inter webs as well for for this book and related to the author and so I think she even has I've had some moms use her childbirth education classes and stuff. So he has the full gamut i factorial. Yeah,

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so she's a great resource. Yep. Education. And the I think she even has like birth plan templates. I can get some free stuff from her website so you can buy the book but also check out her YouTube and her classes and her website. I mean, she has a wealth of knowledge and she's someone I think is worth learning from. And she publicly talks about her birth experiences and has like videos about her actual birth. So you can she's she's she gets real open about everything, which I think that's great. So that is definitely on my list. It is one I recommend as well to our clients.

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Yay. Okay, so that's our there's our similarity. Oh, that we've had them already. It's time. Thanks. Alright, so what's what's up next for you?

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Okay, I have one that I did read when I was pregnant with ever and I have since read I read when I was pregnant with Marshall. I have read it through my the course of my Doula training and my childbirth education training. And I recommend that it is called the birth partner by penny Simkin, and this is a very popular one amongst birth professionals. And many people who who are preparing to give birth it's very popular, because it's so good and Penny Simkin is an icon in the birthing world. This quote unquote remains the definitive guide to helping a woman through labor and birth and the essential manual to have at hand during the event. This is good for the birthing person as well as the partner. It's a great book, my husband read it there aren't a lot of good partner or spouse or husband or father books out there and the birth partner speaks to that person as well and helps them understand what's it look like from the outside? Like what's it look like? What are you experiencing and then connecting that to what she's experiencing? And I think that's really important for people who are going to be present in the birth environment and then it's really an informational and educational for the birthing person. It talks about preparing for labor, knowing when it has begun normal labor, epidurals and other medications, such as Pitocin non drug techniques, talks about the Syrian birth and complications that might necessitate it talks about breastfeeding and newborn care. And it's just a truly truly helpful resource for the birthing person and the partner.

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I love this. I've heard of this and I've heard of Penny before too. And I think it's really important for us to have the partner have a have a resource as well to you know,

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for sure Oh,

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that that's huge. I think I always go back to the movie knocked up. When Oh, God, like I read all the birthing books like I don't know I just love that. So it's like, it's good to have the those that those support resources as well too, because it is a lot going on. It's the whole family unit that is changing. And so I love that she provides those resources or in that manner for the partner to read to I mean, I guess you know, partner can read any of these

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books but true that's 100 was actually what I was thinking I was gonna say

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Yeah, cuz like even mama natural it would be great for me you know, everybody involved in this pregnancy to read okay, what's happening at this week because you know, there's there's things going on and yeah, no,

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I highly encourage the partner who's involved, to be involved to be an active participant as well to be supportive to want to learn and learn in your own way. So find books that resonate with you and go there because it's a major event and the more you know, the better you can support and, and I 1,000% agree that you can read any of these books, and I recommend it, but some of them do speak to the birthing person as to what they are experiencing. And that can be hard for the partner to connect with because they're not experiencing that. So the birth partner I liked because it talks about what it might look like from their point of view, and how tangible ways they can help and that is what some of the other books don't have. So just trying trying multiple multiple books that say the more you can, you can gain knowledge and learn as the partner the better you'll be able to show up and serve and, and it isn't just her giving birth, and if you're involved. It's both of you, you know, and and you should take that responsibility. Seriously. I know I'm sure we don't have a lot of dads listening, but if you do, that's my math. Yes. Yes, exactly.

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Read the books. Yeah, um, I love it. That's so good. Um, okay, I have my next book up and I've talked about this before, and it is called Real food during pregnancy. And Lily Nichols, I know and she also wrote real food for gestational diabetes. I found this Okay, so I did not read this during my pregnancy. I have this from a local midwife. And when I saw her post better, I was like, oh, I need to know what this is. When I researched it, bought it, and it's so good and it doesn't even I mean, there's good nutritional stuff. In here that like, yes, prenatal. There's Peano things but it's also like, I don't know it's good to understand the nutritional aspects of things and how important our nutrition is. And so she has I love this quote in here that maternal nutrition plays a critical role in fetal growth and development. I mean, that's just, it's so so important to think of that and to understand how that plays a role in on not only the maternal health, but like growth of the fetus as well too. And she shares and even online, so she's got obviously she has a website, too. And so she's got some great documents. I downloaded one recently, and I think it was, Oh, she has prenatal supplements and things that she recommends or like prenatal resources in that aspect. So you can download some of those things, too. She'll have recipes. And then she goes through some of the different she talks about the fourth trimester, which is amazing. So she'll talk about different foods, gives meal plans, and then talks about the supplements as well. So things to consider like what do you really want in your prenatal pregnancy expectations, common complaints, so if high blood pressure high blood sugar, like I mean, food can be seen as medicine and so I think we do really need to take into account like what are the food aspects of things, you know, if mom has low iron? Well, what are some things we can do to increase the iron and if we're increasing the iron, well, we might be constipated. But what are some things that we can do to help the bowels function better? So like looking at magnesium and looking at getting more spinach in your diet, like those things, and that can be really empowering and life changing to I think for families, you know, because then you're looking at the food and then you're saying, Oh, I'm going to now I want to see once the baby's here now I want to feed the baby this and like really doing that research and being intentional with some of those things too. So

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and understand that the connection there to overall health and well being so having that that healthy nutrition can reduce, you know, pregnancy related illness and complications. And being aware of that and having a resource that if you have a you know, high blood pressure or gestational diabetes, like what should you be eating or how you know, things to do so I like that. I like that it has recipes. I think it's important to have information and I think that's a missing piece in like in most ops like OB type of care versus like homebirth type of care. So homebirth puts a lot of emphasis usually home birth midwife spend a lot of time talking about nutrition and the benefits and what are you eating and what's for you and what's not working for you because they want you to stay healthy and low risk so that you can have that home birth and that has that's why they're that's one of the main reasons they have such good success is because they put emphasis on that and you don't always get that emphasis from traditional care, you know. So either gathering that data that information yourself through books like this, I think that's a great one.

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And she has like just her. I mean, because she's a dietitian, but talks about her the first book that she had written was that real food for gestational diabetes. I mean, I deal with a lot of moms that do end up having that and she says that using my real food approach, we're able to cut in half the number of women who required insulin or medication to manage their blood sugar. And so if we can do that, then yes, we have those better, we can have those better birth outcomes as far as less interventions like it is all connected and then even looking at this as that pre conservatively like let's let's get a little bit of the health and wellness and food and diet things looked at

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before before. Well, usually what we're putting in our body is either causing inflammation or not. And if it's not, then you're more your body's more likely to operate more optimally. And understanding what that looks like and that looks different for each person and that everyone needs different things. But again, general awareness and being a little bit proactive and fully understand that not everyone has access to you know, the kinds of foods that we all should eat and taking into consideration. You know, I wish it were, you know, more accessible for everyone but it's not so giving grace and space and just doing the best you can with what you got. Exactly, exactly. Cool. I

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love that on your list.

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My next book is called Why did no one tell me this? The doulas honest guide for expecting parents. It is so good. I love the title.

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I do too.

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Why didn't someone tell me this and like I get a sense like Why did no one tell me this? Yes, it's by Natalie Hales and it's a it's full of just like straightforward, honest advice. It's very inclusive. It's like considering all walks and types and so everyone has a space there which I love. It's funny. It's personality filled. It has great illustrations. It's for pregnancy, birth and beyond for modern parents and so I think it's a it's an easier you know, it's an easy lift. It's not a very like in depth book, but it's could be a quick read if you're looking for something shorter, but it's very well done. I love it and I recommend it for fellow Board professionals as well as expecting parents.

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Ah, that sounds good. I love the title. So I'm so Um, okay, so i This isn't necessarily this isn't a book but it's a magazine so it's okay vacation and it is called Pathways to family wellness. Awesome. So this is this magazine was very life changing for me and so it is a chiropractic based publication and it is put out by the AICPA which is the International chiropractic Pediatric Association and that is where chiropractors can go to get certified and working with pediatric patients taking classes on that, getting the diplomat in that but also getting that Webster certification as far as being able to understand and work with pregnant patients and prenatal patients. But they put out this magazine, it's quarterly I wish it was weekly. Oh, no, I just Yeah, cuz I read it. I'm like, and I want another one. Yes, but there's other articles in it. So it's not just chiropractic articles. Like,

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what is that? It's not just pregnancy there and

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it's no it's not just pregnancy. Oh my gosh.

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They'll do like a whole pregnant they do it. Yeah, themes

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are so good. Yeah, this one has an article in here the one I'm looking at now it's by common knowledge trust. And so there's one an argument of the reality birth one about know your pelvis by things I wish I knew about my pelvic floor. sickness and health are evolving to early childhood attachment, outdoor play like they have articles from therapists lactation consultants, midwives, doulas. Crunchy blog, people. I mean, just everything and I feel like every article in here, I don't know just gives me like a little nugget of like light. I don't know. It just it's it's very uplifting. It's very, very informative. And it's something that I give out in the office until I give it out to all my families and that sort of thing. But I remember when I went to my chiropractor, she did the same thing. She gave these magazines out and I got the magazine and I read it and that flipped the script for me because I had already had I had had my VBAC at that point. So I was you know, I didn't I again did not read this during my pregnancy. Um, and this flip the script on for me as far as just how I looked at life. How I looked at the birthing process how I looked at the magic and beauty in the world just I tell you what, and so it it really was life changing for me and I think this was a big there was they mentioned a book and one of the articles I went and read the book Molecules of Emotion by Dr. Candace birth with it's just a life changing as well. And that started me and catapulted me, this is part of why I became a chiropractor. And so every time I get this in the office, and every time I hand it to a mom, like a little piece of me remembers that like it is very passing that light Irie. Yes it's like very intentional. It's so very important for me like I just I honor this so yeah, I love this magazine.

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I also love that magazine. It was not on my list. I have kind of forgot I just spaced it. But is it that same exact thing happened to me? Same chiropractor I'm pretty sure I got the book or was given that magazine during my second pregnancy first or second pregnancy. I don't remember. And yeah, I devoured it. And it's like a book. They're like many books and I think they come out quarterly because they really do give a lot. They pack it full. They pack it full. There's no way to know oh yeah, it is it's like barely any advertisements. It's just lots of articles. And I agree with everything you said and just just reinforcing how great it is and how helpful it is. And I wish there were more publications that were as like intentional. So yeah, that's a really, really wonderful one. I'm glad you shared it. And I love that you share it with your clients and you're passing you're passing that light on it's so well yeah.

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And you know they do they also encourage like mom meetup groups, so pathways to family wellness, like meetup groups so you can get together and talk about the articles and like bring your kids and so that's they they have that aspect. I remember the office I went to have that and then in my office I do mom hikes so I take it kind of like outside but this was that concept was the formulation for what I do in that like, oh, let's forming the unit forming the tribe, building your like Life team, you know, I suppose like your mom team is not just you know, it's kind of like how you go through life. So, yeah.

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Good. I like that. They encourage that sense of community and they kind of help facilitate that. That's really great.

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All right, what's next? Okay, so

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I have one more book I'll share. And this is what I feel like it's good. It's good preconception, and it's good. Put like postpartum when you're done maybe having babies or even between having babies. And I know you like this one. This is hormone intelligence.

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That was the next one I was going to talk about, but I was like, it's not necessarily birth related. But I love how you put that hormone intelligence by Dr.

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Because it's come into play for me because I'm done having children and I'm I'm you know, postpartum five years and I wish I kind of tapped into this a few years ago. So it can be good in either place. And I think that people around is really really really intelligent. She's really well respected in the community. She's a yell I think MD and but she's also a midwife. So she, she kind of walks this in between line that helps bridge the gap between the medical and and the holistic. models of care. And so she's a great resource. If you follow her on Instagram, you go to her website, she does some classes, or she just created this book, and a little description of it is that it's a guide to calming the hormone chaos and restoring your body's natural blueprint for wellbeing. And this resonates with me because my body has been pretty out of whack since having babies maybe always but and I have endometriosis. So some inflammation already exists. And I had tried different quote unquote, like diets. or types of eating that would reduce inflammation to try and control the endometriosis and try and control some of those symptoms. But after consulting with a home birth midwife and reading this book, and gaining more knowledge, I'm realizing that like what works for other people may not be the exact thing that works for me, but I still need to pay attention to what's causing inflammation inside my body. And what causes inflammation for me may not cause inflammation for you, and how that relates to our hormones. And so I like how she talks about like hormone chaos, and trying to balance hormones naturally, so that our body can function optimally. And she just does it in a way that is, it resonates and it's like, okay, that's taxable. I, you know, I can or tangible, I can do that. And so she kind of lays out a program in this book and talks about natural ways to balance your hormones and this helps I think this is really helpful for people with PCOS. And she talks about that. So struggling with that preconception, as well as back things like endometriosis and other reproductive health issues. So she, it's a great resource. It's whole, it's holistic, but she's also again, she can kind of walk that line in between of like, where you feel like she's really giving you the information you need to reclaim your your body and your hormones and yourself and I love her if you can love someone you don't know, but

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I love them. You totally can. Yeah, I have lots of special media people that I that we're best friends, they just don't I know.

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They don't know. They don't know it, but I feel like when she talks she's talking to me. She's one of us. Yes, yeah. And so she's a good resource. i We i include her website in our resources for our clients because she's a you know, she's just a good, well rounded resource for a lot of different things. So

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I've had more patients in the office by this book than any other one that I've recommended,

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I think as it applies to a lot of different people in a lot of different seasons.

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I just, I love it and she is that beautiful blend and makes and she does it so gracefully. That I just that's why I'm like I don't know you just come read a book to me like I just love hearing her too. And there's a local massage therapist who has gone through her herbal training and now moms and stuff here and then I mean it's just I don't know the ripple effects there. i Yes, that was on that was on my list too. She does this like a 28 day got like reset like and what you said was so perfect. Like there's no one size fits all diet. There's no one size fits all healthcare plan. There's no one size fits all fix to anything that's going on. And it's it's you take those nuggets of information, and it's what works there and what doesn't work here. Have you looked at this? Like I think that's the big thing. It's like, oh, okay, well, we tried this, this this. Have we looked over here, maybe the hormones do play a role and then there's a thyroid that pituitary axis like it's all connected. And I just I love that. I love that interconnectedness.

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Yeah, talks about like getting to the root cause of your symptoms instead of just treating the symptoms, which is what a lot of people do with like, the birth control pill which no shame there. I was on the birth control pill forever. I have an IUD right now. I'm trying to eventually get off that but some people it gets maybe overused because that's triggering video to symptoms versus I mean, it is a it is for preventing conception but it also some people just get put on it to control periods or

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ALS. That's a big one. You know, pretty much kind of metformin and you know, what I know,

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and what's the root cause of the symptoms and that's just empowering. I mean, it takes it demystifies you know, our amazing bodies and the intricate nature and individual nature of us and, and I appreciate that and that's been a huge growth opportunity for me to just tap into my body and what it means and like I've learned and I'll just give an example I did a sensitivity tests for foods and learn that like corn is a very high and gluten are very high for me, but like regular white sugar isn't and not to say I'm going to go eat a bunch of cake because that has other things in it, but like I'm like, Okay, I don't I was doing like whole 30 for a while where it's like no sugar and a lot of I was doing like coconut milk. You know, so I was finding other things to supplement. But I've learned that like I'm sensitive to coconuts and coconut milk sensitive to like gluten and corn. Those are some of the big ones and dairy like all the dairies. And so this identifying like, sugar is not the enemy of enemy necessarily for me, but some of those other things are and trying to just pick and choose like it's not like I have to go on a keto diet or whole 30 diet where I'm just solely eliminating one thing I don't know I don't know if what I'm saying makes sense. It's just like doing the sensitivity test may not want to ration direction of like okay, I don't have to go crazy about avoiding sugar but you know really avoiding corn and gluten and like I learned I could eat rice, like brown rice, no issues with brown rice, but like all the other stuff like even Kinlaw which is like a lot of people go to quinoa as like a safe thing. I have a sensitivity to chemo so it's like okay, I can have brown rice but not cane line. So it's unique. It's very unique and it has my body has responded really well and you know had a lot of the bloating and really bad like PMS symptoms and, you know, trying to try to balance those out. And that's what this book is a helpful guide in doing. Yes,

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I know

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That's a good one. No, no, I love it. But that's I mean, and that's where you go, you read these and you feel empowered. You do these things and you make life changes. You know, I just think and I'm going to go again because I think people don't understand like, the if they're having symptoms. What's the whole picture? What are your body trying to tell you? Yes. And I just think when like, if I can reduce inflammation and reduces headaches, which improves overall mood, I don't know. It just feels like I wish and again, it's all access. It's very, very privileged to be able to have accurate pay for goods and have time to go to the store and buy what I need. Like I fully understand like, this is not available for everyone to tap into, but just being aware of and that when we go to the doctor, we say My stomach hurts and they give you medicine. Like I just want you to think well why does my stomach hurt? Like, is there more to it? Can I explore this first more holistically and then maybe have the medical intervention if needed? I don't know. I don't know that. No, wait, it's exactly how you said it. Exactly how you said it. No, I mean, it's gonna resonate. No. That's perfect. That's perfect. And that's, you know, obviously I deal with that.

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It's like, what's that root cause what's the body trying to tell you? So to help you it does, and it will continue until you listen.

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Okay, I have one more book. Cool and actually, I've forgotten about it. I think I have it in my house, but it's not in my closet when I'm recording and I'm not going to get up but it's shared decision making. Oh yeah. Dr. Boots Taylor. I know I completely forgot that. I had ordered that book and I was so excited to get it. So Dr. Boots Taylor is a doctor here and he used to practice at sea baby and he is OB like delivering massive amounts of babies. But very, I would say VBAC friendly. Oh yeah. Well, I mean, he's very well known. He's delivered breech babies twins. I mean, the whole gamut.

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And I just really do appreciate his approach to it because I feel like he does and did really empower women and families. You know, as far as like that shared decision making like I love that his book is titled that because I feel like that's what he embodies. Is that presenting the information and it's not just, um, I read something recently where it was like, just because this doctor is telling you that to do something, it's not like you don't have you don't have to do it. It's more of a hey, this is an idea. Let's have a conversation about it. Let's, let's hash it out type of thing. Yeah. And I think understand that shared decision making isn't just a list of risks and benefits. It's a conversation that comes after learning, gaining knowledge and then having time to think about it and process it and come to a decision that's ultimately yours. And so he I like how he breaks down what shared decision making should look like and and stead of what people a lot of people think it is it is not and he gives real life examples. As I say he gives so many stories in the book. I love that and really like oh, that's what shared decision making isn't if you can practice shared decision making on a regular basis. That is what I mean that is how you can achieve and empowering groups, no matter what comes up and that's what he's a proponent of. He's like, it's not always straightforward. It's not always easy. There are some challenges that you're going to face but it doesn't mean you can't feel like you're a part participant in this decision making process. And I love that philosophy and he drives that home. He articulates it really well. Yep. So I mean, yeah, I like that book. And I think it's good, you know, to read and you can kind of use that insight and the language in there to have those conversations, you know, with your provider, so and see how that aligns. Yeah, he has can get that shared decision making going. He has a tool I think in the book called The Beast score, because his name is Dr. Brad boots dialer. And that base course does have a tangible tool. You can take to your provider and see if you're his he kind of recommends getting in alignment says 90% alignment with your providers what you want to shoot for. So you use his b score tool to to test that out. And so that's a key source in the book too. Yay. So yep, yeah, I'm glad that was my last book. I think I know. So good. Okay, so do you want to move into podcast now? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, so the first podcast I have is birth full and Okay. It is by Adrianna Lozada. And so, I came across her podcast I think when I was pregnant with Marshall, my second and totally binged, devoured all of her episodes, which is what I love about podcasts is like, you can just go back and listen to you know, all the episodes that came before and she is I think she's great. She's a doula. She's a journalist. She's got a very good perspective on how to deliver like a good way of delivering information that is like, tangible like a lot of her episodes are like 2030 minutes. She gives me information gives you some action steps. So it helps with the overload of overwhelming information out there. You can't hurt by titles I can go through and like it tells you exactly what it's about. So if you're looking for a specific thing, you can go and listen and she'll definitely leave you with a nugget of wisdom.

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She's She's great. She also has birth classes. But I think her podcasts alone and then she has like a paid, you can do like a paid subscription through Patreon and kind of get some bonus. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, but her podcast is one I still listen to regularly I recommend it to my clients and I when I was pregnant, I totally benched it.

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That's really cool. I and I've heard you mentioned that one before, too. So I love that she offers some of those cool, like extras, you know with it or whatnot. Yeah.

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Yeah, okay. I have one and all of mine are like overlapping now because they they're going to have podcast as well as like social media stuff with it. So because this is how I found this one actually on social media first on Instagram. And then I saw that they had a podcast and so it's called Beautiful One midwifery and it's three homebirth midwives and I believe they're out of California.

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They there is just a realness and a rawness to them that I love and and the reels that they put together are just super cute and hilarious and I'm like, but it's such good information but they have a podcast and they do so many things in it because they'll talk they talk a lot about hormones like a ton about hormones. And that's I think, how I first kind of saw them on Instagram and so I follow them they have like they do a balancing hormones like masterclass. They have all kind of like fixing your period. Like they talk a lot about those things. I love that. Yeah, I love them. And so and I think they had just brought on that was just the two of them. I think it's Kelly and Tiffany were the two main midwives and I think they brought on another one named Christina, but I, what is the name of that podcast?

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Well, it's beautiful one midwifery Incorporated. That's like the name of their business. I can't remember if that's like the, I think that's the name of the podcast that they have. I can't remember. But they, I mean, they'll have printable birth and postpartum affirmations. There's just I don't know the way that they present it and like I said, they here's one two, how to write your birth story like just I don't know it's the way that they talk about things I that I absolutely love so I'm pretty sure they still do the podcast I'm not seeing too many things on their Instagram handle now about it, but they have oh my god, like it's just all their web, all their research resources on the and their blogs, other resources on their social media page are really really good. So I Yeah, and they recently they know so Madeline, who is of believe in midwifery, she is out of here out of Atlanta and she's she's being really she's on she wasn't midwife. Now. She's working with like the sustainability within the midwifery world and just trying to help midwives create that sustainable practice. They know each other and so I got I geeked out on that because I know Madeline as well and I love her and I follow her so and I saw that they were together recently for like, national midwifery week and that sort of thing. So yeah, so it's Yeah, so that podcast is called Lady stuff with Katie seven there. That's it. It is counted and they are there just I don't know. They're fun. So yeah, they I just love that they talk so much about it's not just the birthing it's not just a birth resource to me. I feel like it encompasses that like whole womanhood thing almost like we were talking about with like Dr. Viva ROM. Like it's that like look into the hormones and let's look into all of this Yeah, oh experience and that's exactly what I can tell they do. And I follow them on social media too. They're very entertaining. So yeah.

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I haven't listened to this podcast, but I'm gonna I'm gonna add it because you know we're sharing stuff here so why not it?

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So that's cool. I understand it but what's it called? You said it's called Lady stuff lady stuff with Kelly and Tiffany. Perfect. See, I should I don't even know the name of the podcast I'm recommending but there you go. But it's on if you if they went to that website, beautiful. Free it's there. I mean, that's how I found that very easily. So well, I'm going to San Diego over Christmas or I'm going to go stalk them and find them because that's where they're at.

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Oh my gosh, not easy or anything out. That that I just thought that's where they were. Yeah, as I said, California

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Okay, so my next favorite one that I'm going to share is the birth hour. And this is all about birth stories. So they have people on the host aren't really but having conversations like you and I are having they're just having the platform for people to come share their birth stories. So it's a really great resource for hearing all kinds of birth stories.

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All kinds and they just get the space without, you know, guiding the conversation. And so if you want to hear first stories and just listen, but binge watch, I mean, they say they reach over 5 million families and here and we're 150 countries. So number one online resource for birth stories. They have two podcasts a week. And then they also have childbirth education, a great social media account.

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And they just want to expect you know, support expecting parents on their journey and help them feel informed and empowered. And I think I always tell people to one of the main things I say to do as a doula and childbirth educator is to go try and consume birth stories. And for some people that works and for some people, it doesn't. Some people it creates more fear and anxiety, some people that makes it go away, but I'm like it's a great opportunity to just to hear about real life things, real birth and hear about it from real people, and that can be really helpful.

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Well, I love that you said that because this is different than you're going to Christmas dinner. And Boone is gonna push her birth story all up on you like that is completely different than you coming into that intentional space and listening to it and there's no one finger pointing or saying like well, you should have done this and did you do that? No, it's like it's it's that store it's just listening to thing consuming. I love that. It's a great one that you can totally there's they have so many episodes you can binge that come out regularly. It's it's a fantastic resource. I share it with all my clients. Yes, girl. I have one similar to that. This is so fun. Okay, because and I feel like I told you about this a while ago. It's called birthing outside the box. Yeah, I have that one too, because I went to chiropractic school with Dr. Vivian and so she's one of the hosts and it's a chiropractor and a doula and they offer I think they offer like services together or whatnot like in the Raleigh area but there's is literally all birth stories, but it's just they'll talk about the different thing. So here's one like home birth and Hashimotos with Emily and there's one quick simple and perfect with Jenna and they have the pictures associated with it. There's wild pregnancy and free birth with Lindsey different countries same midwife with Sarah like it's pretty cool like listening home birth during COVID was Shelby like some really cool pain free birth with Karen. I don't know. I just love how it's the birth story thing too. So that's another way to consume those stories or in a manner I think that honors and protects the birthing person, you know, because you can do it in your own space and do it in your own space. You can stop listening or pick and choose what you the titles you want. And that's a doula and chiropractor right? Yep. Yeah, and they are they do focus on that like out but that non traditional path. It's that non Yeah, like it's birthing outside the box like a perfect title. Yes, it is. It is. So it is definitely one to consider. So maybe just different, you know, they're offering those some of those different birth stories as opposed to the printer. So you know, just kind of digesting all of that. Yeah, I love that. I will add, it's in kind of connection to the one of the books we shared is the shared decision making by Brad boots Taylor. He has a podcast called Ask Dr. B. And it's a q&a style episode and usually they're very short. He usually has one little topic as if he were asked a question and he he gives an answer. And again, I love the way he talks. I think everyone should listen to him. Just to hear like a doctor a medical doctors perspective on obstetric care like and how they can be kind and gentle and compassionate and effective and accurate or like you know, evidence based. And so yes, he doesn't have a ton of episodes, but they're short, I still think he's worth listening to because again, just sort of as a example of how care can can be. So that's when I would add to the list. Yay. I love it. And I love hearing because force is kind of general I feel like if you could, I could listen to them.

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Um, alright, so the some of the next ones I have though, I don't know if you've got more podcasts. I don't necessarily have more podcasts. But I think some of the stuff that I do have listed actually has a podcast okay.

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Maybe this one will be one year so I'll wait and then if not, I'll add it. Okay, are you sure cuz I can move and mine so the next I'm kind of in that like website, social media world, okay, because everything else I have. I think it's all I see them a lot. On social media. But then I also know that they have a very heavy website presence, and I believe they have a podcast. So you've actually already talked about it because she wrote a book, but it is evidence based. And so I see them I'd see it most often on Instagram. That's where I see it. And I think the big takeaway for me with evidence papers because she was the one that wrote the babies are not pizza. Correct. So um, I think my big takeaway with what she presents is it's so funny, it's it's literally the evidence because she will put in the statistics and just give these beautiful quotes of like, this is what the evidence is showing the research is showing. And then what we do is we're supposed to take that and put that into clinical practice, right? That's that's what we do. So yes, we use evidence from research, but then you can also use that in in person evidence, and then we translate that in to those best practices, how we take care of our people. And so I do love I just I do love all the information that she puts out. It's very inclusive as well. I feel she's addressing topics and issues that are very relevant.

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And yeah, I do love the evidence that she puts out, yes, fame, and that's a tried and true resource for our clients. I guess. It's one of the very first because we do an intake form that's in depth, and we're like into do this intake form, use this website, and it's evidence based birth. I mean, she's a researcher, but she takes all the research and puts it into kind of understandable terms, and it's not bias she's like, this is just what it tells us. And so that's always if someone is if one of my clients has a question about something that they're facing, I find the resource on there and I send it to them and I'm like, start here. This is a great place to learn. She's very practical, straightforward. She also has classes they have educators, they have online classes and independent educators as well. And yeah, they're in there. They're on Instagram, but their website is where website is really good. Yeah, we're all there. I mean, literally, like so much information.

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But I do like how on Instagram they'll kind of extract a good quote and get your attention that way. So yeah, definitely want to follow on Instagram and have your their website saved in your browser. For sure. Evidence Based birth. Yes. Um, okay, so that's mine. Um, what do you have? So in that realm for social media actually have previous guest on the on the podcast, Latoya Marie Johnson. Of the birth impacts. She's one of my favorite social media people. Like she we're best friends, but she doesn't know it. It's fine. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. i She also has she has like two excuse me two or three I think IG handles but the birth impact is the one I wrote down.

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She shares all kinds of great images and videos and quotes and just how she's changing the world and it's just real, honest, authentic birth stuff of all kinds and she's got a very good perspective on on birth, and I think she's one you should 100% Follow on Instagram if you want to feel empowered to give birth Yes. You know, we just did the interview with her, which was amazing. And she's been unpublished on Facebook. I don't know how many times because of all the stuff she's getting. She does have a huge following. But she find it's just amazing things that she shares. I mean, it's just raw and I love that it's true. It's authentic. It's and she's kind and gentle too, but has this that confidence, right? We're just Oh yeah. And so it's definitely worth listening to episode and it's yes, she's the birth impact, which is amazing, that grassroots effort as far as changing that birth culture and then she's a doula. So her doula business is dual view because she wants to change the world, the view of birth and that sort of thing for birthing families. So I have to agree with that. Yeah, Latoya. I am such a fan girl. You know, I found that's how I got connected with her. I found her and then I feel lucky that like, she's in our area. Yeah. I totally geek out on that. She's, she's come by the office before and everything so I'm like, oh my god, it's like celebrity.

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So I love that so that's a good one. That's a good one.

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Um, alright, so my next one is going to be VBAC facts. Okay, um, I really like this one, and I'm like, Instagram. It's Yes. So she's, it's, um, what's her name? Jen. I think it's is it camel camel, I think it might be K me l and so she has literally like VBAC facts and it's on Instagram. She's got a great website because there's lots of like, downloadable information and resources. She's got classes, so she offers stuff for like not only birthing people, but for birth professionals. So it's like it's for the families and for the professionals. So ways that you can, you know, as that professional looking to support some of those VBAC hopeful families. She's got you she's got all the statistics up there and stuff too, but I love I love what she shares on Instagram. I think it's really good. Because she'll share stories and that sort of thing. And then let's see, what else does she share? It's um

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she's got her classes that are on there.

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And then her she's got one a professional member event why everyone should get postpartum pelvic floor physical therapy. Like she talks about these things. Failure to progress in the past does not predict VBAC future like I feel like that's what she does is like flip the script on some of those like those facts of like, okay, well just because this happened in that first and I hate the terms of failure to progress and failed, you know this and failed that like, but just because that happened that first time around doesn't if we're looking at the facts, and I feel like it's a little bit like that evidence paper. It doesn't mean that you can't attempt a VBAC. And so that's why I think I love some of the information that she puts out, but her perspective on it.

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That's it. That's a good one. Yeah, yeah. And I had the VBAC link for the past. Yes. Okay, the other podcasts one that's good for VBACs but they also are on social and they have a great website, so check that one out, too. But so the next one I was going to share for Instagram is the birth nurse Mandy Irby, she's an l&d Nurse Educator.

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But listening to her talk, so her handle on Instagram is the birth nurse, but her name is Mandy Irby and I love her. She's straightforward. She's honest, she's raw. She's real. She she talks about being she's trauma informed so she can approach things from that perspective. And she helps nurses, she helps l&d nurses how to be better, more trauma informed so that they can provide better care, but she talks about all aspects of things that happened during birth. And what's right and what's not right from, like, the kind of care you might receive. There's no, she doesn't sugarcoat anything. It's just like, Yeah, this is what's happening in the hospitals. This is what should not be happening and that battles like and how to avoid it. Different things you can do so she's I feel like you can get some education from her she's, I think she's entertaining. She's funny. She has classes. Her classes are geared towards though, like nurses, so it's not like something a pregnant person would go take. But I think dabbling in some of her social media content is a little eye opening for expecting parents and people birthing people because it's like, oh, that happens. Oh, I can do that. Oh, I can say no, like, and she's just shooting you straight the whole way. So I again, social media, best friends in my mind, but in reality, she has no idea who I am. Yeah, I know. I know. Again, that's friends. So she's got something here. But she posted I looked it up and so she says instead of saying I'm terrified of childbirth, try this and make a list of your specific fears and tackle each one by one with info and apply it as she talks about that dude, no, I love that. Yeah, breaks down. Yeah, that's a lot like about being terrified of birth, which is real, but it's also like okay, well what's gonna ya know, what is it?

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Yeah, you get get granular and say, Okay, is it your fear is tearing or your fear is a cesarean birth or your fear is being out of pain. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the pain and it's okay, well, we're gonna say 100% That advice is solid because you break it down. And so again, it's tactile, it's calling it out. It's saying, Okay, this is what you're saying. But now what can you do? She's great. I love it.

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Wonderful. Um, let's see I have. My next one is again, I use this website a lot. I've actually sent this website. This might be the one I send the most to moms and it's actually more postpartum moms, but it's Postpartum Support International. Okay, so I think it's psi. So they are on Instagram. I see a lot of things there.

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And I feel like and they've got a Georgia chapter. So they have lots of different chapters. So we've got some shared contacts of people that are actually serving on the board now. Yes, with mental health, so it's actually longer felt so I love love, love the great postpartum resource. It is and so like I said, they've got different chapters. So there's the Georgia chapter I love but the website I send like they've got hotlines and phone numbers, ways to connect. And then looking at I mean, I think things to think about if you have that history of like depression or anxiety outside of pregnancy I think connecting with these resources beforehand or during the prenatal time is really important to set yourself up for anything that could come about with all of the changes that are going on because it is big changes. And so there's lots of things going on. So I think it's a great resource to have. It's a wonderful nonprofit organization. So yeah, oh, that's a good one.

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And I think really important to talk about it for preparing for the postpartum so thank you for sharing that.

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So another Instagram person or group to follow is called mama stay fit and it's Gina and Roxanne. And I think I mentioned her maybe it might have been in the podcast we did about VBACs but she has a VBAC mama, but she's all about movement during pregnancy to prepare for birth movement during birth to have a safe and smooth birth and overall wellness. And and everything birth and postpartum. So she's good for postpartum recovery after see fiction, or the diathesis wreck tie, where the app you know your abdominal muscles separate. So she's got just helpful tips for for a multitude of things. Really great content. So like short reels, or videos or quotes or images that like I feel like everything I feel there's I'm learning something from so really, really good stuff. And what's the Instagram handle? So it's kind of like nama stay like yoga. But Mama stay, so Ma Ma, and then S T E and then fit fit so mama, that makes it okay, I was thinking moms Oh, I love that play on we're cute. Okay, I love that. That's what was i What can I find this? Ooh, Oh, this looks good. Oh, yeah. Oh, signs your C section cart scar needs mobilization. Yeah, she's really good with that kind of stuff. Yep.

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That's wonderful. And it's not just her. It's her and like two other moms I think and they kind of share sharing the content and exercise things to do and ways to prepare and like I liked how they share about pushing with your knees closed.

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And so that's one that I think if you're watching you're like, second push, just close. Yes. So who is that I had a patient just messaged me a tick tock video. I did it. She's like Okay, now the position of this video is very weird, but she's like, but watch this. It's really cool. And it was like it was literally a mom or you know, like a birth professional showing the changes in the pelvis. But she was like on all fours and trying to like show the changes on the cameras. I right there. You know, oh my god, this is hilarious. I'm like, I ain't doing that. But that was yeah, that's good. Oh, I love that they're sharing that sort of stuff.

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That's a good one. I do love that. I'm going to start calling them um, alright, I only have a couple more. One. So one I've already kind of mentioned I want to go. It's now I want to go with like the website aspect of it and they're a little bit on social media, but I feel like it's a great website. So it's the ICPs of international chiropractic pediatric organization or association. Sorry, that's a mouthful. I know that sounds like I'm getting this wrong. Yeah, I CPA. So that's, again, where you get like the websites training and certification for chiropractors to work with prenatal patients. And then pediatric chiropractic care. They put out that patterns to family wellness magazine that I put out, but they have a website that has research on it. So if you do want to look at any research articles, that's awesome. I know they were doing some updates a while ago, so I don't know what it looks like now but they also have the wonderful tool that when I am in any sort of Facebook groups and stuff and if people are looking for a chiropractor, they have a section on there where you can find a chiropractor. And if you can look for one that is Webster certified or has prenatal or a pediatric certification pediatric diplomat like all of these different things, you just type in your zip code and I use this when I just recently had a patient move to Washington DC. And I was like, Okay, well I need to find a chiropractor that level. Let's see, I know the level of care, right? Like I know the expectation I know the training. So I will look for them and then I go into like oh yeah, I do know that like I forget you know who do I know in DC who do I know in Tennessee those type of things you don't go there and look Yeah, cuz a lot of times I'm like I forget. So I love that little tool on their website as far as finding a Webster certified because even if you're listening to this and you're not, you know in the area, yeah.

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And you can just type in your zip code. And then you can go visit the websites and see some folks there. So yeah, that's a fantastic resource. And even if you're maybe in the Atlanta area, but not near like the Acworth Kennesaw area you can search you know, oh, yeah, there's the other side of town. Yeah. someone near you. So yeah, you could use that regardless. I love that.

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Cool. Okay, so I'll share maybe my last one here and it'll be a website. And it is the spinning babies website. So I talk a lot and I know you do too, about fetal positioning and spinning babies is a great resource for learning kind of how to be aware of how you move your body during pregnancy, to encourage again, it's not a guarantee but just to encourage that optimal fetal positioning which is baby head down and on the left side, facing like their eyes looking towards your back. So learning kind of about the importance of that some things you can do. There's, I think the website is information heavy. So try not to get overwhelmed I say focus on the daily activities. So you can go to the website and look at the daily activities and this is kind of like very simple and achievable. Like things you can do every day or every other day to you know, encourage that optimal positioning and then it can be a good resource if you if you are facing a breech baby or if your labor is slow to start or if it has stalled at that point. Like you can kind of go and grab specific information but don't get too bogged down in it and just sort of being aware of the importance of fetal optimal positioning. She's got some videos, I think they also have a parent class for like $27.

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That is helpful. So I refer to that website a lot for for my clients. Yep, I do too. I do too. So that's a good one. And okay, so then I have the other one. So this one wasn't on my list, but it's on there. Now. It's that the miles circuit as well. So that's another good one. And I feel like that that's like, super easy, not too in depth. And so I'm gonna just add that on there too. Because I went moms are like, okay, what can I do? Sometimes you just kind of give them all the things so that's, that's another really good one to have like, certain lunges to do and positions. Now here's the thing too. I've had moms where they've been like, Oh, I did that. And I, you know, felt like a lot of strain in my abdominal muscles and that sort of thing. So that's always good to like take that information back to the provider because then we can say, okay, let's not hold these positions for so long. Or maybe this isn't necessarily what we need right now if it's causing those types of things. So I have Yeah, and I think some people like think certain things with spinning babies or mouth circuits, kind of like it's not great for them and that's fine. That's not great for everybody and listening to your body, trusting your body and saying, Okay, I can't hold that. So the mile circuit is three different positions for 30 minutes each. And for some people, like that's 30 It was too much. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, okay, because there's another provider who has like some spins on some of that mile circuit and spinning baby stuff. And it's like, okay, well, if it doesn't work for 30 minutes, let's do it for five minutes or one minute, or you know, try something else. But yeah, listen to your body. If you're having significant discomfort, or it's not, you know, working it's okay. It's just some general awareness and things you can try. And a lot of times what I come across is people just want to be like trying to do something or or are aware of like, what's going on and, and that's just kind of part of the process. So yeah, that general awareness and saying it's okay to be like, Nope, that doesn't work for me or I don't want to try that. It's perfectly fine. It's just a resource. Yep.

34:43

Very true. I have I have just one more. And it is, I guess, affectionately named. I can. So it's the Syrian awareness. Yes. And so literally, I can so they have different chapters. Um, I will say I'm not I don't mind birth. Facebook groups, but sometimes sometimes.

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They can just be heavy, right? There's just lots of lots of things in there but I feel like the I can group and they'll have different ones there's Georgia chapters you know there's gonna be different chapters throughout I have really enjoyed this one I guess especially being a C section. Mama I used that my chiropractor and told me about it and so I went in there, and it was really good to to hear some of those stories for moms that you know, were able to have that be back or to find that support for this is the provider that really worked for me or this is what I did this is I you know, I had a repeat C section. This is where this is what happened, like, I don't know, I feel like it's I really enjoyed the moderators that are in the GA one. And so they do have that aspect of the Facebook group, but then they also have the website and those sorts of things as well. So it's a good resource. Yeah. And they're their Facebook group as well moderated which is important in that space. It's well protected. It's a safe space. So trust that and then yeah, the websites full of additional resources and places to get information. So yeah, I can is certainly a place to start if you are going for a VBAC.

36:17

Yeah, well, I think we covered resources. Yeah, you know, what's gonna happen is we're gonna have too many resources and we try to load the podcast and do the text for it not gonna fit. It's not gonna fit. I already know that right now because it's so good. Yeah, um, so yeah, I don't know what we'll do. We'll get it figured out.

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But, yeah, I know so many resources. I love how we have some that overlap, but I love the individual ones that we have as well. Yeah. And these are some that I wrote down and looked up and want to say because I don't have them yet. So again, you're always I'm always learning gaming, right? There's always like, you know, more to learn. So I love it. Yes, I know. Well, hopefully.

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If you're listening to you got one, at least one good New Birth related resource. So again, super excited to do this episode with you today. Rachel, thank you so much. Yes, thank you, Dr. Shannon. Have a great day.

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