Episode 4 - Interview with Raye the Doula

Aligned Birth Podcast - Interview with Dr. Shannon and Raye the Doula

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Hello Hello

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Dr. Shannon here with the aligned birth podcast, and today I am super, super excited to be talking to Ray the doula I absolutely love her, and fun story about how we not is of course to the wonderful world of social media, mainly Instagram right I have a love hate relationship with social media, but I love it because I get to connect with people like Ray and so she had, as I mentioned just a minute before she is a doula but she has an R in background,

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and she

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had wonderful wealth of knowledge on PCs and women's health, and really helping women to be in tune with their body and so I'm excited to talk to. Miss Ray today so welcome to the show.

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Thank you so much for having me. Yay. Now, um,

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I kind of want to dive right in, because one of the ways I Found You was exactly through you posted something about PCLs have polycystic ovarian syndrome, in which is very prominent in women and that was the big kicker for me was I recently had maybe three women come in, the one week, all talking about it because all their symptoms were so different, everything was all over the place because it's such a big diagnosis. Had you had that information and so I want to know more about what you have learned about PCs and what got you on that path of really diving into that aspect of health. Okay,

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so should I start with just a little background about myself,

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about

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how I get to dive in into the world of PCLs

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yeah let's do it. Okay,

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so my background is in nursing. I went to nursing school straight out of high school and I thought my end goal was going to be a women's health nurse practitioner.

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So when I was in school and I just got

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graduated, I started there certain nursing doing message.

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And I was like, I don't know if this is for me anymore because hospital, nursing just wasn't my passion, so I took a little break, and became a public health nurse to just figure out my pet, and during that time, I also decided that I wanted to have a baby. And so I started trying, and it didn't happen. And I was like, What in the world, I had no idea about PCLs or infertility or anything, I just thought that people decided they were ready to have a baby and I just thought, Hey, baby boomers simple and for me it was not actually turned into a few years of honestly trying to get providers to listen to me, to get to diagnosis of PCLs and to get the diagnosis of infertility and then to go on the healing journey and then to finally having max on me but so backed up a little, there's a lot in there I know right off the back of my own journey of trying to figure out what was going on with my own body, because doctors, they really wouldn't listen to me. So I had to do all of the research myself. In the beginning, to basically present it to the doctors to say, this is what I think is going on with me conjunct police just ran this test, so I could see what my thyroid is doing which I could see what my hormones were doing and after about two or three providers, switching providers, I was able to find

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one that listened, and

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he did run test and do ultrasound and that's when I got the diagnosis of PCLs with polycystic ovarian syndrome. It affects multiple body systems, and, like you mentioned earlier, everybody's symptoms are so different, and everybody could present in a different way. And I think that might be one reason why providers struggle with pinpointing it, but at the same time I feel like if we have a woman who's asking for tips could you just please run the test but we don't know what's going on I

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can't like I really I'm taking notes while while we're talking, and like, I'm underlining and I've got exclamation points because it's the same thing, I've got women coming in the office and I'm like, Okay, well let's, let's go to your you know OB let's get these tests, and then one, a doctor came back and he told a patient, you can't just come in here, demanding these tests nasty test I'm like, this is our body, like, I just and I told her, it's time to find a new provider and so I love that you even mentioned, okay, I'm going to switch until I find someone who is listening to me. Yeah, I

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mean, it's so much fortunate that that's the reality of things, because actually, that is how it should go I shouldn't be able to come into your office and have a discussion about what's going on with my body, and add new. What do you think this is what I would like to do these are some hints that I think would be beneficial. Is there anything you would suggest, And then we come together and approach my health from a collaborative effort, not just, oh, well, this is what I think is the doctor, there's no way that you could know what you're talking about so you just need to listen to me.

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I mean, I can't

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I can't say that and I do, I mean,

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I have

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such respect for the medical community because of the amount of training and I did and because of the amount of knowledge and all of that but there's also that listening aspect so, you know, to just say okay well this is why I would like to do it. This is why wouldn't if explaining things you know and it's the same thing in the birth world and you know that too, it's, it's the risk, it's the benefit, it's an informed decision and saying this is why I would want to run this test and this is why I wouldn't, but Right. So you finally found a provider that was due now you also mentioned the fact that you wanted. All of these organ systems tested because I know it's all connected, you know, it's not like my thyroid just functions by itself, I mean, it's connected to pituitary it's connected to hormones, and so I know that makes things difficult to, you know when trying to really hone in on that diagnosis.

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Right and I think one thing that happens with the women with PCL is that some providers may only one aspect of it and so the PCL is kind of just get lost in the sauce. A lot of women like PC always had that insulin resistance and so I think providers tend to look at that. Only and say, Oh well, if you just control the blood sugar with this medicine and

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focus on losing

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weight, everything else will regulate, and they don't necessarily look at all of the other hormones they don't look at the thyroid. And then they don't look at what what's causing actually this insulin resistance.

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And especially for black women. It's kind of just like, oh, well it's genetic, that type of thing like it just, it's just your family history.

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And then if it's lost. I know there's a, there's the layers to it, so it's really finding that provider to listen and then they also you know you had to do so much research

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to on my own. To do so much on my own, I started researching PCLs, I was in my dorm room, remember when I first came across it. And then I really started researching it and diving in around 2014 And I didn't get a diagnosis for like two or three years, so it was a long time that I was just Yeah, reading books and articles and people's testimonials and stories, trying to find even like YouTube video of women who have finally found this test or that test of the right wording to talk to the doctor. So, and we're on journey of trying to figure out what was going on and then finding a provider to listen for sure.

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Now, where, so you did mention.

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So we got the PCs diagnosis finally from that provider. So then, what was your next step.

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Okay,

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so when I got the diagnosis from that provider, it was after doing labs, and an ultrasound, and so to get a diagnosis of PCLs we just need to

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present with a certain amount of symptoms, such as elevated or decreased,

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whatever your hormonal imbalance is. And then, commonly your ovaries with the cyst on there, but then there's a whole other research that demonstrates the insulin resistance. That was, that was my then like I can really increase the body hair, anxiety, depression, and the list goes on and on for symptoms of PCLs. So, after getting the bloodwork, and ultrasound, they end up there was pretty after like holistics Monday, and he knew that I wasn't a fan of just being on birth control.

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Next thing is, typically, oh you have this diagnosis in Pcs

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so we're going to

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put you on birth control, and it's like, Oh,

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no. Right, I, I

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don't want to say I do not agree with that because I understand that some situations, and for some people's bodies. It works for mine, I was not open to being on birth control because I previously had a really bad experience with birth control and causing severe hypertension. And so I wasn't open to being on birth control at all, and that provider,

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understood that.

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And so I kind of looked at what I was already doing, I had already switched up my diet, a lot, and I was learning how to eat a more whole foods plant based

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diet.

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So I was already losing weight, and I had already changed my diet and so he provided some additional dietary recommendations, and recommended like some vitamins to start taking and incorporating and supplement. And so that was the beginning.

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Oh great,

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culturally, active.

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Okay, great.

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We're gonna go. Okay well we're talking about

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instability drita with the birth control you did the dietary changes but then, that wasn't the end of it, so. Okay. No.

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So then I started learning about how other practices to Hill certified acupuncture or chiropractic treatment, And this is where you get a little spiel about how chiropractic care, ties in and helps the horse. By keeping everything in alignment, I'm sure you're aware that.

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Yeah,

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well I love that you were able to look at those other, you know aspects of things just because what you were saying to you know, it affects multiple organ systems and I look at it from the standpoint of, you know, the brain controls all the functions of the body. And so when we're looking at that nervous system function well I want to know how is the nervous system functioning for the nerves that are going towards all the reproductive organs, you know, towards, you know, so that's where really that focus comes from and how chiropractic care can help in that aspect of things, you know, which is.

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And it even makes sense because, even among kcls There are different types like I mentioned mine tends to be the celebrity. Even among cliffie Manson has certainly the insulin resistance, but there's also, um, so

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it's okay.

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Oh my goodness.

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Do you want to just enter here with me.

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Okay,

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let me show

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it, it's all good, good, this is real. Okay, you have to watch this show. And that's it. So pick one. Pick one. And okay, I'm hearing train right.

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Take one show and then that fit. If you don't want

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to watch that,

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then you're going into baby theory on my back because I gotta finish this, pick, pick one point to it. Okay, there's one

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extra time.

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Okay, King, please. And the second is meeting with

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the shaman,

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back in the closet. That was not

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coming out.

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Blue in Spanish. Alright,

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peasy always, there are different types. And, like some people have PCRs only after being on birth control and then they come off, and then the hormones just don't regulate after that. But for somebody like me who had the insulin resistance factor, but also inflammatory factor I think that's why chiropractic care could be so beneficial

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for people like me who have those things going on as well that extra inflammation in your body, causing the hormonal imbalance. And that is delivered this fix.

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Oh yeah, and it's, you know the inflammation can come from so much too you know so especially when you were saying you were looking at your diet that's a huge part of it as well, because so much of that inflammation can come from

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the gut.

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Yes, I mean, I was coming from, originally lived in South Georgia, and then I moved to Atlanta, but when I lived at home. I mean, Southern cooking was basically all that I knew that I hate. And so when I started looking at, oh my gosh, all these fried foods processed foods, learning how to create labels learning about, you know, oils that increased inflammation in the body. It was like a total

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lifestyle change,

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just to, you know, more anti inflammatory diet, and I learned about

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things like Tumeric tea there can help get that I had a whole tumor, it takes a while lowering

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inflammation. I'm an even thinking about other practices like mindfulness and meditation and deep breathing. I didn't know about any of that stuff before I went on my journey. And so I was just like a walking ball of anxiety and stress and that only added to the inflammation,

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but

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it really was a overall lifestyle change, to help my body to flow and function and regulate.

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That is awesome. I love it, but that's how it happens right because sometimes we do need that like,

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I don't know that

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diagnose that motor we're like, Okay, this is this is what's going on, what are we going to do about it and what changes are we going to make, you know, so I love that you were willing to dive

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deep

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into that, and, and work on that. So with your diagnosis and then you did those lifestyle changes, how quickly then. Did you were you able to conceive.

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Oh my goodness. So, I want to back up a little bit because I want to make it about. Okay.

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Can you still hear me.

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Yes, you can

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see, okay, I want to back up a little bit because I don't want to make it seem like I recently having a baby was the driving factor, but I also want people to know that that's not the only important part about PCL is because some major points is like the first time you have a five goal by yourself without needing birth control, to make your body cam to have that cycle so for me that was a really big moment, the first month I had a cycle after not having one for months and months and months. Yeah so that was like the first major when,

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when I met it and I

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don't want to go over that now I

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know we're gonna celebrate.

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That's awesome. So then, really getting into that, knowing that your body is healthy enough to have that cycle.

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I love it.

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So, in that I've been pretty quickly like changed my diet. And I mean, it was really bad before so once I changed it up. It was like a month and a half, and then I had a cycle all by myself. And then I dove into the bug taking charge of your fertility and I learned that you kind of needed to have more than just the cycle you need to be sure that you know you are relating, absolutely. And so, and that your Moodle phase was took long enough you had enough time for the baby to implant, they was an implant and so I started learning about that, and then that did take a few months for my body to get in that flow of things and I remember the first month I got into positive ovulation kit.

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Yeah, all these little

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mile markers. I love it.

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All the leading up to. Viola we do during pregnancy. I celebrated on the journey, so that I wouldn't give a damn about it taking long. Now that

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makes sense because you were able to celebrate you know, okay, I've got my cycle, okay I'm actually oscillating now, you know, so that makes that makes a lot of sense that you were able to celebrate that part of the journey. Right, and then

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even celebrating like My aim was improving because, yeah, well what can I do if I had an increased risk of cardiovascular disease, which I believe is totally linked to those unstable blood sugars, and how it can affect your blood vessels, and that whole cardiovascular system. So we're not able to see was improving. That was another win.

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Exactly.

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I love it, I love all these

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little things and you know it's, there's also the aspect of time, you know, and understanding that yes it does take time but it's so good to see those. I don't know the results come in so you know you're like oh I was on, you know, eating this healthy food for like a month and a half and then doing this and then doing this and not. I think sometimes too maybe that's where people

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have issues with

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putting in that time. And that effort to it, you know, and just having and just

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hopefully wishing and hoping that, okay,

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I put in this work. Instead of saying, Oh well, and I'm going to give this, I'm going to give it a week, you know, so it's the aspect of time in there.

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Yeah. And that I think is the flow. I don't think that's why some people get discouraged, because, kind of like if you do this birth control may take a medicine to make you isolate things to happen a lot faster. But my concern and what I always try to teach my clients is, I'm not only concerned with you having the baby like I want to help you truly get your body to optimal functioning. And because I don't want you to be in that statistic of. All I had a baby, but I never addressed any of the rest of this stuff going on behind the scenes, and now I'm diagnosed with high blood pressure and diabetes. Five years later, because I never addressed the inflammation in my body, or the insulin my basement. I mean,

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yes, all of that, that's so huge and so I love that you look at that aspect of it that yes we want to have baby but let's, let's make sure that where this baby is going to develop is in a healthy

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body, you know, right, right, especially when we think about PCRs and the connection to the gut health and have the inflammation effects of that health, And then we think about when you get pregnant, when your good health you pass on to your baby. So, we want to make sure that you're healthy. First, before, before you go into pregnancy so that you have, Hopefully, a smooth pregnancy and then a good experience after and then it's all about the health of the next generation as we do our healing. Ah, I love it. That's so deep and growth,

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always happens we start talking about like, oh, let's go over here let's go over here, but you mentioned what you work with your clients so I do want to I want to get an idea of, because I know you as you know, raise a doula so like, there's the in that birth worker aspect to it, but then you also have like the PCLs healing aspect to your to your work too so right let's go over a little bit yeah like so what do you do.

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Okay. All right, so I think most people you're doing well, they obviously think birth doula right like when you meet with them your pregnancy, and then they're there for the birth, and then they take care of your parents as well, which I am a postpartum doula but I'm a full spectrum doula meaning, I also provide fertility support to people who are not pregnant yet. And because of my own personal story, obviously a lot of my clients who are trying to conceive also have PCLs, so I like to do is work with them one on one, and I start from the beginning because a lot of people are like, I'm not having a cycle I want to have a baby. What do I need to do. And my first question is, Okay, what's going on. Do you have a diagnosis, and a lot of people don't have a diagnosis yet, so they need to know what to ask the doctor what test, what tests to ask for what labs to ask for the whole nine yards. So I'd really like to start right there, because you, you don't know what you're dealing with if you don't have a diagnosis or lab work or anything. So, essentially like the person, I wish I had my own journey might have been guiding me and tell me what to do best, who I try to be where my time so that they don't have to walk alone and figure it out and go through all of these books. I wasn't I'm not a medical provider so I can't prescribe them anything but I can offer guidance from personal experience and they're my own knowledge,

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right, and you can say hey, take this information to your provider, you know ask these questions, you know, yeah, it's definitely like this is, you know, this is the medical advisory to take this, take that gentleman right but it's also helping people to advocate for themselves as well. I mean, we also talked about the birth worker world so yeah during, You know, the birthing process you want women to be able to advocate for themselves but now let's speak up for this, our help,

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you know, exaggerating my home. Yeah, I feel like my motto. As a doula

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is as an advocate, like, just starting from when you're trying to conceive. For the rest of the time that I'm with you My motto is going to be ask them, and advocate for yourself whatever you want to do whatever you're good at is telling you to do, go for it and

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if you can't find a provider that supports new, find a new one, a new one.

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I know I know and it's one of the things I know it's difficult but let's, you know, let's put in the work, like what you said let's ask an advocate, so that makes. I love that though. I love that. And that's so helpful and that you're there to, you know, provide

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that guidance.

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Now, one thing that I think of too, in that,

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what I,

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what stands with how you stand out to me and what's so different and what you're able to offer is, um, I don't know one of the things I've talked about before, is what I wish people knew about what I, you know do or if it wasn't one thing that's really been anti like, I wish you would come in like before you're pregnant. I want, like, kind of what you're doing so I love that you get to, you get that fertility support it's like okay well let's first, let's make sure you know cyclists good let's get you cycling on your own and then let's talk about the bit like I'm the same way with okay let's make sure nervous system is functioning well. And then, let's see, you know, instead of like, I know you're 38 weeks and I'm like, Oh my God, you know, so I get. I love that you offer

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email when my clients, I'm like, can you send one to the chiropractor. Now we get your writing, even before you're pregnant because I know, and I see how many people are 3738, or now when they go to the chiropractor like flip my baby to the right positions. So, that's not how this works. And I really like that. I started working with people we can build a better relationship, we can talk about how you, you're eating

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well before

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pregnancy, we can talk about how you're managing stress, we can talk about going to the chiropractor, we can talk about all of these things that only help you once you're pregnant, and that's a lot easier to set healthy habits early on, versus getting the client at 30 weeks. And then, I'm trying to go through all of that those things were also doing birthing and childbirth

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prep.

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Exactly. Exactly. And that's because that's a lot.

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There's a lot going on, you know, and then there's that stress aspect of things too, and then adding to the anxiety that we've already talked about that can be part of that PCL aspect of things too.

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Exactly.

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So

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not everybody that comes to you though has PCs, but that is like that special aspect, and knowledge base that you have.

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But you're fine,

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and didn't want to be like,

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Oh my gosh, what was I about to say, There was something so

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after

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the stress and the anxiety. I wanted to tie in a little bit just about birthing in Georgia. Oh, okay.

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Yeah, and I really like

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connecting with people before they're pregnant, honestly, or being that I work with people while they're trying to conceive, very early on, because we didn't talk about choosing a provider, very early on, instead of connecting with somebody and say,

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what he ate 30 weeks.

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And then going through, okay, what would you like your birth to be like. And then, then discovering the provider they're planning to deliver with isn't not supportive of the members that they want, but because of where we are.

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We're still limited

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in the number of options that we have the number of midwives and birthing centers that the birthing centers and the midwife may be full, but I am we had had this conversation earlier on, we could have picked a provider, much,

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yes, no and I,

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I definitely, I definitely agree with that because I've been seeing a lot of the midwives in this area, they're full, and taken. Yeah, and they've got to take a break so I know like if you're gonna have a baby in December. You know a lot of them are taking a break in December, because they needed to there's that sustainability within the midwifery practice which is a whole other aspect of things too, but,

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um,

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I know it's but it's yeah it's going around but like if you can get set up early enough to know, okay, this is what I want and these are the providers that are going up with it, then yes, you re alleviate some of that stress of finding those people who align with you.

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Yes, and that is why I really like connecting with people and having that relationship with them so I know immediately when you get your pregnancy test. Okay, this is the kind of birthday, you want, you need to go ahead and reach

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out to this person because otherwise they're gonna be. Yeah, no, that's so true. That's so true. Um,

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so,

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One thing I do love to ask is, um,

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what do you wish

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people knew about what you do because sometimes I feel like that in the chiropractic world, they see those memes out of like what people think I do. And then like what I actually do

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with people, and people

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aspect of things I know I've touched on it a little bit, but really honing in on, you know, what is

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it that you wish people knew about what you do.

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Oh my gosh. So, immediately when you were saying like what my thing that I do and I don't know that my family's understands even still what it is that I do and remember at first they thought, I actually delivered the baby, and getting them to understand the difference, and they've been paid to understand the difference between a doula and a midwife is something that I'm still educating people on, especially when people see that I have a background in nursing, they're like, Oh, well

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you're a nurse and

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you have doula training. Do I even need a midwife, and the answer for me is a resounding yes you do. Yes, I am not a midwife, but I am a doula. And so getting people to understand, that is the hard part is getting them to understand that you really do benefit from having both. I mean, obviously, we know the statistics around Georgia and birth and moms and babies. And we know that midwifery care is a different model. And women are often safer that way. But doulas play an important role in teaching here.

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Let's play an important role in teaching the to advocate, informing you of all of your options.

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The port. Yes.

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For example,

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oh my goodness,

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sweet boy.

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Did I answer that question are you want me to go in details. Yeah

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I mean I think that's, that's a big that I mean yeah, like what you do. And so, um, I think, too, if I had to look at like what is one of the most common things that you help others overcome with the work that you do. I kind of want to answer that for you and then you can come in and answer because what I'm hearing everything. Like this is what I think. Like this is how beneficial you are, because it's, it really is that ask an advocate, and so it's getting to people getting them to. It's like help getting them to healthier pregnancies, like that's kind of the aspect of what I see that you're able to do and to help within looking at it in that full

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spectrum and not so much just the

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growing the baby, you know, and delivering the baby but more of the that pre conceptive and that fertility and getting to be intuitive and aware of your body.

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For sure.

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Um, now

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what, um,

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as far as like pregnancy, birth postpartum like healthy living, what are some of your top resources that you like to give to your clients

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to emanate my train.

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And you might have your own,

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you know what I mean you might be like, well

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I've got, you know this list of questions that I give to providers and this list of that in this list, you know, or if there's people or books that you sin, you know, say hey, this should be, or not should but, You know, this could be in your library or

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that type of thing. Okay.

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So, overall like helping my clients to spread all that

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out. So what I like to do for my clients is I like to kind of see where they are and how they're eating how they're managing their stress, already, and then

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I go from there. Just with a bank system not a nutritionist or anything but I do

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understand.

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Choices macros. And so I can help them.

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Say if they're struggling

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with learning how to eat healthy or just overall I can provide

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them meal ideas kind of school list, things like that, just one on one.

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I like to give them. It's like going to the chiropractor is the one. So,

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these are my local chiropractors, go to one of these people and I know they'll take really good to us. Types of relations

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with people.

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Oh and then,

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obviously, books

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about McAfee about.

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I don't know what else to say about what was just about

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our time here but

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I oh there's lots of resources out there. Is there anything that we didn't go over that you wanted to be sure to mention in our little in our interview.

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I'm sorry about

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that. It happens, it happens,

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I totally understand.

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That's why I do this while my kids are going back.

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So I feel, I feel you.

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I feel like Mary.

Yeah,

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there's a little bit worse, and he hit edit it into the race but I wanted to say that. And I also want people to know that doulas are not just for people that want a home birth or a I meditated for it, because I feel like that is a misconception that is floating around everywhere, and we have to work to do that is totally a myth I want to support my clients through whatever type of birthing experience they want, as long as they are able to advocate and stand in their power and make informed decisions, whether that be a home birth, a birthing center birth, A hospital birth, a C section, whatever birthing experience my client wants or ends up having, as long as, as long as they advocated for themselves, and felt empowered then I feel that my job was done. So I'm not just for people who want a doula because they don't want to get pain medicine because I work as doulas goes far beyond just the labor room when we talk about all of the craziness and support, and the Postpartum Support, that we give the birth is just one piece of that was a big piece of that puzzle obviously you remembered your birth for Forever, forever, ever and ever, but it's not the whole piece of your experience. Yeah,

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no, that's, um, that's 100% right though and I, I mean I feel like I get like that too in the chiropractic world, like you don't have to, you know, want this magical you know unmedicated, you know, to like to be under chiropractic care, like, even if you do you have anyone an elected you know C section, we'll make sure that our nervous systems working well is, is wonderful, you know, same thing with you, making sure that you have made these informed decisions you've asked the questions that you need, you have someone on your side to advocate and then, yeah, I mean postpartum recovery during that, so that is huge, so I definitely see, and I totally understand where you're coming from with with wanting people to understand that life that stigma related with it or something you know I don't know I don't know where those things come about, but right

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doulas are for everyone just like tab right these are great everyone I mean, I remember their leaves. I got went to the chiropractor when I was pregnant, but also those adjustments when I was early postpartum my upper back was always held tight when nursing and there's no reason. Didn't know newborns adjusted is great for nursing and sleep and for everybody so

3:13

I know I love it. I love it. Um, So where if people are searching for you people want to find out more about you and how to connect with you where. Where are you living in the social media and interwebs,

3:30

we're old.

3:32

Okay, everybody can run anywhere at raise a doula. If you are on Instagram, I am most active on Instagram, I like to be alive there, Mike to chat with other people in the birth work world about things you can change and what's going on in business that so you can find me on Instagram at residue little but I'm also on Twitter, and I have a Facebook page ready to do it, and my website is www.re badulla.com So either way, like, for me, I'm raising,

4:06

love it,

4:07

I love it. Well, thank you so so much for talking with me today and sharing what you do in the birth worker world but also sharing your story because I think it's very important to share those stories and that's exactly what you're doing with your work, you know, you're kind of living out and sharing that story, and helping others with the same, maybe issues that you had and so I love the impact that you are making. And thank you so much for chatting with me today.

4:44

Thank you so much for having me was on there I love talking with you, I love everything that you stand for. So, I'm so grateful.

4:53

All right, My friend.

7:03

Guys, it is a beautiful day.

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